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Gym/training fact and fiction

Posted by pilsburyDB on Wed 13 Apr 2011 to brawn_and_bunnies

Ok, I'll get the ball rolling....

You can turn fat into muscle

Fiction! 2 totally different things! It'd be on a par with turning lead into gold.

Feel free to add your own :)

Don't piss me off or I'm going dogging!

Reply by Shypeachybottom on Wed 13 Apr 2011

If you steal a chip from someone else's plate, it doesn't count. (~sigh~)

Seeing your weight go up on the scales always means you are getting fattier (nope, you might be increasing your muscle volume).

There's a somebody i'm longing to see, i hope that he turns out to be, someone to watch over me

i'm a little lamb who's lost in the wood, i know i could always be good, to one who'll watch over me (Ella Fitzgerald)

Reply by AbraxasV2 on Wed 13 Apr 2011

Bigbob33 wrote:
Gym/training fact and fiction

Ok, I'll get the ball rolling....

You can turn fat into muscle

Fiction! 2 totally different things! It'd be on a par with turning lead into gold.

Feel free to add your own :)

If you stop training your muscles turn to fat. Same reason. A fat cell can't turn into a muscle cell or vice versa.

I'll let some other brave soul tackle spot training...

Reply by TigerVoltage on Wed 13 Apr 2011

AbraxasV2 wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Gym/training fact and fiction

Ok, I'll get the ball rolling....

You can turn fat into muscle

Fiction! 2 totally different things! It'd be on a par with turning lead into gold.

Feel free to add your own :)

If you stop training your muscles turn to fat. Same reason. A fat cell can't turn into a muscle cell or vice versa.

I'll let some other brave soul tackle spot training...

Apologies for pedantry but you can't turn muscle to fat. You just lose muscle and put on fat. The myth stems from body builders who lower training and keep the diet the same. They are in fact very different processes.

I'm going to bust another myth:

Toning doesn't exist.

You are either putting on muscle, losing it, or staying the same. Toning is a marketing word made up to sell products based on the assumption (often correct, probably) that women dislike the concept of ending up looking like Arnie. Reality: 'Toning' is simply losing fat and building a little muscle to look more defined.

Answer: Don't buy into toning fads. Just train to lose fat and / or build muscle. Correct focus may make a big difference.

Reply by AbraxasV2 on Wed 13 Apr 2011

fragmentrhapsody wrote:
AbraxasV2 wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Gym/training fact and fiction

Ok, I'll get the ball rolling....

You can turn fat into muscle

Fiction! 2 totally different things! It'd be on a par with turning lead into gold.

Feel free to add your own :)

If you stop training your muscles turn to fat. Same reason. A fat cell can't turn into a muscle cell or vice versa.

I'll let some other brave soul tackle spot training...

Apologies for pedantry but you can't turn muscle to fat. You just lose muscle and put on fat.

Erm... That's wot I sed...

Reply by Gentledom14 on Wed 13 Apr 2011

Muscle weighs more than fat

FACT

you get these people going on about that a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of Fat. so therefore it weighs the same.

But Muscle is more dense in an equal volume.

A CM squared of Muscle is heavier than a CM squared of fat.

“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.”

Reply by TigerVoltage on Wed 13 Apr 2011

AbraxasV2 wrote:

If you stop training your muscles turn to fat.

Erm... That's wot I sed...

Not saying it to have a go, just making sure no-one gets the wrong idea, sure it was just a typo.

Reply by AbraxasV2 on Wed 13 Apr 2011

fragmentrhapsody wrote:
AbraxasV2 wrote:

If you stop training your muscles turn to fat.

Erm... That's wot I sed...

Not saying it to have a go, just making sure no-one gets the wrong idea, sure it was just a typo.

Cool 80)

Reply by ConsciousnessJunkie on Mon 18 Apr 2011

AbraxasV2 wrote:
I'll let some other brave soul tackle spot training...

Spot training does work, but not in the way people think it does.

You CAN spot train muscles.

You CAN'T spot train fat.

Doing a thousand sit-ups a day just ain't gonna take the pizza tummy away.

Reply by hard_taskmaster on Mon 18 Apr 2011

Dust. Anybody? No? High in fat, low in fat? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. It's actually very low in fat. You can have as much dust as you like.

:)

Also - the blokes that only do upper body and wear the vests to proove it - tracksuit trousers will never disguise those skinny calves and everyone know it!

Reply by Shypeachybottom on Mon 18 Apr 2011

wildhoney wrote:
LondonShyGirl wrote:
If you steal a chip from someone else's plate, it doesn't count. (~sigh~)

Actually that's completely true ;). And broken biscuits don't count either!

Phew :) that's me reassured. And broken bits of chocolate off someone else's chocolate bar? (dark chocolate so full of antioxidants of course :) )

There's a somebody i'm longing to see, i hope that he turns out to be, someone to watch over me

i'm a little lamb who's lost in the wood, i know i could always be good, to one who'll watch over me (Ella Fitzgerald)

Reply by pilsburyDB on Mon 18 Apr 2011

Step away from the chocolate!!!!!

Don't piss me off or I'm going dogging!

Reply by PrinceCaspian on Mon 18 Apr 2011

Changing_status wrote:
Dust. Anybody? No? High in fat, low in fat? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. Anybody? No? Dust. It's actually very low in fat. You can have as much dust as you like.

:)

Also - the blokes that only do upper body and wear the vests to proove it - tracksuit trousers will never disguise those skinny calves and everyone know it!

I don't work my legs at all.

I climb, I do aerial work. This is just common sense.

And I put on muscle far too easily so whatever I do my legs will never be skinny.

Theodore Bikel: "All too often arrogance accompanies strength, and we must never assume that justice is on the side of the strong. The use of power must always be accompanied by moral choice."

Reply by pilsburyDB on Mon 18 Apr 2011

Show off!!! I have to work my legs really hard to get them to even think about growing :(

Don't piss me off or I'm going dogging!

Reply by PrinceCaspian on Mon 18 Apr 2011

Bigbob33 wrote:
Show off!!! I have to work my legs really hard to get them to even think about growing :(

I guess the point is I want them as skinny as I can get them.

Bulging calves and quads aren't to my taste and heavy legs would weigh me down.

Theodore Bikel: "All too often arrogance accompanies strength, and we must never assume that justice is on the side of the strong. The use of power must always be accompanied by moral choice."

Reply by ConsciousnessJunkie on Mon 18 Apr 2011 (modified Tue 19 Apr 2011)

Bigbob33 wrote:
Show off!!! I have to work my legs really hard to get them to even think about growing :(

I have the opposite problem too. I just THINK about going for a jog and my calves burst out of my leggings Hulk style. Fortunately I like muscle. :D

I trade this off as an excuse not to do cardio. Love it. :D

Reply by PrinceCaspian on Mon 18 Apr 2011

MissFelicity wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Show off!!! I have to work my legs really hard to get them to even think about growing :(

I have the opposite problem too. I just THINK about going for a jog and my calves burst out of my leggings Hunk style. Fortunately I like muscle. :D

I trade this off as an excuse not to do cardio. Love it. :D

Snap ;)

Theodore Bikel: "All too often arrogance accompanies strength, and we must never assume that justice is on the side of the strong. The use of power must always be accompanied by moral choice."

Reply by mistertulip on Fri 22 Apr 2011

I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....

I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"

It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.

Reply by carlbigvern on Thu 5 May 2011

I squat and have calves to match my biceps......if only my ego was smaller.....and nothing about my willy!!!

Reply by pilsburyDB on Thu 5 May 2011

mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....

I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"

It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.

A lot of what's said about aminos is true, they are the bits from protein that help build muscle... It only takes a search of pubmed to see if claims can be substantiated ;)

it's the same with steroids tbh, once you get beyond the scare mongering and into the science there's a lot of well researched info around....

Just saying.....

Don't piss me off or I'm going dogging!

Reply by carlbigvern on Sat 7 May 2011

You want muscle....stick at it.....simple as

Reply by carlbigvern on Thu 12 May 2011

I use the run of the mill Tesco's vitamins, good whey proetein via a mate.......then there are the supplements that make a differnce

Reply by mistertulip on Tue 24 May 2011

Justbob wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....

I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"

It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.

A lot of what's said about aminos is true, they are the bits from protein that help build muscle... It only takes a search of pubmed to see if claims can be substantiated ;)

it's the same with steroids tbh, once you get beyond the scare mongering and into the science there's a lot of well researched info around....

Just saying.....

My point is that you can't just read what you'd find on pubmed without a serious education in chemistry and physiology. I can skim the publications for words I think I understand - but that kind of literature is there to support trained people and world experts...

I have a serious education (not in Chemistry, Physiology nor life sciences)... and it's painfully clear to me I don't have the background to read journals in these things - so I'm sceptical of what street bodybuilders and trainers can know. I also have serious doubts that most of them understand the technical terminology that's thrown around.

Winning bodybuilding contests is a perfectly good thing but reading things you need an exam in organic chemistry to understand is something completely different...

Reply by Beau_Tox on Wed 8 Jun 2011

PrinceCaspian wrote:
MissFelicity wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Show off!!! I have to work my legs really hard to get them to even think about growing :(

I have the opposite problem too. I just THINK about going for a jog and my calves burst out of my leggings Hunk style. Fortunately I like muscle. :D

I trade this off as an excuse not to do cardio. Love it. :D

Snap ;)

Cardio should in theory promote a catabolic reaction - if you do enough of it to get past a tipping point. I guess for some people, a little acts to promote an anabolic reaction rather than just promoting muscular endurance.

.

"Journalism" is an anagram of "o, lunar jism".

Reply by festive_musings on Wed 8 Jun 2011

hmmmm not wanting to bring the tone of the conversation down...

But, does press ups on your toes have the same effect?

<<<thinks about muscled thighs & calves & drools uncontrollably!

:::::. Most welcome bondage, for thou art a way, i think, to liberty .::::: William Shakespeare

Reply by Beau_Tox on Fri 10 Jun 2011

mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....

I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"

It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.

Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.

Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.

** Mmmmm, cheeeeese. :-)

.

"Journalism" is an anagram of "o, lunar jism".

Reply by Beau_Tox on Sun 12 Jun 2011

LilyIndigo wrote:
Beau_Tox wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....

I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"

It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.

Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.

Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.

** Mmmmm, cheeeeese. :-)

* This post was written by someone who has no idea how many calories are in a pint of milk. "

How are calories calculated then?

.

"Journalism" is an anagram of "o, lunar jism".

Reply by Miss_Zelda_Amazon on Mon 13 Jun 2011

Beau_Tox wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....

I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"

It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.

Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.

Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.

** Mmmmm, cheeeeese. :-)

The expensive stuff as you call it is good and is cold pressed! I use pea protein and take after training and during the night, I don't like casein slow release so would rather set my alarm to get up in the night to take it. I only use protein powder when I am training for a competition, about 16 weeks out, I also take my cal intake up to about 6,000 per day at 6,000 I can still eat clean and by this I mean no sugar natural or not so I don't eat any high GI foods, at about 8 weeks out I step up my protein intake and cal to about 10,000 per day at this point its hard to eat clean but I try, I also take 3-5,000 mg of vit c for collagen production .

During off season or between competitions I mix my training doing muscular endurance and power in the same session typically 10 sets first 4 sets at 20 reps next 3 sets at 10 reps and last 3 sets at 3 reps the last 3 sets will also all be on the same weight, on a squat day it would start at 100kg with the last 3 sets being about 240-260kg, depending on where the session falls in the week. I also only train each discipline once a week , unlike the build up to a competition when I train each twice a week .

Reply by Thumbell on Thu 16 Jun 2011

fragmentrhapsody wrote:
AbraxasV2 wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Gym/training fact and fiction

Ok, I'll get the ball rolling....

You can turn fat into muscle

Fiction!

Apologies for pedantry but you can't turn muscle to fat.

Toning doesn't exist.

You can however have large soft muscles which look like fat, 'bitch tits' for example (do super sets/ burns to sort to sort these out).

You can also have muscle groups that are rippled with fat: so if your muscles shrink and soften due to degreased use, and you increase the amount of fat, they may stay the same size but their composition would look totally different.

:-)

OK so here's my myth for the busting and one that really annoys me when I go to classes.

You should stretch before and after exercise.

WRONG.

Never stretch before warming up or you'll do more harm than good.

Reply by Miss_Zelda_Amazon on Sun 19 Jun 2011

Thumbell wrote:
fragmentrhapsody wrote:
AbraxasV2 wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Gym/training fact and fiction

Ok, I'll get the ball rolling....

You can turn fat into muscle

Fiction!

Apologies for pedantry but you can't turn muscle to fat.

Toning doesn't exi

You can however have large soft muscles which look like fat, 'bitch tits' for example (do super sets/ burns to sort to sort these out).

You can also have muscle groups that are rippled with fat: so if your muscles shrink and soften due to degreased use, and you increase the amount of fat, they may stay the same size but their composition would look totally different.

:-)

OK so here's my myth for the busting and one that really annoys me when I go to classes.

You should stretch before and after exercise.

WRONG.

Never stretch before warming up or you'll do more harm than good.

you are only correct if you are talking about static stretching! Before exercise and as part of your warm up you should do dynamic stretching if you can , fact !
Reply by Thumbell on Mon 20 Jun 2011

fetish_bi_cpl wrote:
Thumbell wrote:
fragmentrhapsody wrote:
AbraxasV2 wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Gym/training fact and fiction

Ok, I'll get the ball rolling....

You can turn fat into muscle

Fiction!

Apologies for pedantry but you can't turn muscle to fat.

Toning doesn't exi

You can however have large soft muscles which look like fat, 'bitch tits' for example (do super sets/ burns to sort to sort these out).

You can also have muscle groups that are rippled with fat: so if your muscles shrink and soften due to degreased use, and you increase the amount of fat, they may stay the same size but their composition would look totally different.

:-)

OK so here's my myth for the busting and one that really annoys me when I go to classes.

You should stretch before and after exercise.

WRONG.

Never stretch before warming up or you'll do more harm than good.

you are only correct if you are talking about static stretching! Before exercise and as part of your warm up you should do dynamic stretching if you can , fact !

oooh. Good point!

Reply by Shypeachybottom on Mon 20 Jun 2011

LadyHarlotofHoxton wrote:
fetish_bi_cpl wrote:
Beau_Tox wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....

I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"

It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.

Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.

Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.

** Mmmmm, cheeeeese. :-)

The expensive stuff as you call it is good and is cold pressed! I use pea protein and take after training and during the night, I don't like casein slow release so would rather set my alarm to get up in the night to take it. I only use protein powder when I am training for a competition, about 16 weeks out, I also take my cal intake up to about 6,000 per day at 6,000 I can still eat clean and by this I mean no sugar natural or not so I don't eat any high GI foods, at about 8 weeks out I step up my protein intake and cal to about 10,000 per day at this point its hard to eat clean but I try, I also take 3-5,000 mg of vit c for collagen production .

During off season or between competitions I mix my training doing muscular endurance and power in the same session typically 10 sets first 4 sets at 20 reps next 3 sets at 10 reps and last 3 sets at 3 reps the last 3 sets will also all be on the same weight, on a squat day it would start at 100kg with the last 3 sets being about 240-260kg, depending on where the session falls in the week. I also only train each discipline once a week , unlike the build up to a competition when I train each twice a week .

I've lost 100 calories reading that.

if I read it two or three times, will I lose 200-300 calories? or is it only on the first "cold" read?

There's a somebody I'm longing to see, I hope that he turns out to be, someone to watch over me

I'm a little lamb who's lost in the wood, I know I could always be good, to one who'll watch over me (Ella Fitzgerald)