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PROTEST TODAY!! FOR sex venues Hackney 10 Dec
Posted by Degenerate on Tue 7 Dec 2010 (modified Fri 10 Dec 2010) to the BDSM Activism web board
10 December · 10:30 - 12:30 Protest re the consultation posted elsewhere which ends on 12th Dec about banning sex venues, which will affect local BDSM related businesses such as Expectations. If you can't attend please urgently respond to the consultation and share the info with like minded people - see here for more info http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/291540/
Location Hackney Town Hall-
Cant seem to find further details elsewhere but it's from Facebook here, which has very little info:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=1672364799...
This is the info from the posting group from here http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_109486... :
Hackney are proposing a 'nil' policy for strip venues and sex shops as they believe they no longer fit in with the character of our town centres and neighbourhoods. There are 4 strip venues and one sex shop in Hackney - most of these premises have been in business for over 30 years, and licensed by Hackney under the Sex Encounter Premises Act for over ten years. Two venue's are run by women, the first is The White Horse run by mother & daughter Pauline & Sue Bristow and Browns by Denise Chandlier.
Hackney are concerned about the poverty and high unemployment levels in the Borough, yet by implimenting this 'nil' policy, they will be putting approximately 400 local people out of work! Local tradesmen will also suffer from the knock-on effect.
Hackney have already been licensing these businesses under strict rules and regulations for years, and we classify our dancers as performers who entertain our customers from the local area as well businessmen from the City. Quite often customers make an evening by visiting a restaurant or The Comedy Club, etc., within the Shoreditch Triangle.
Surely our venues are successful because there is a need for our form of entertainment.
Please help save these well-established and well-run premises by joining our group and completing Hackney's online survey by 13th December 2010 at www.hackney.gov.uk/3450
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Just a good luck message to anyone attending this protest which begins shortly and will be gathering as I type no doubt..
Kick ass people! Wish I could be there with you.
Probably the best way to show support for this protest from home is to go and fill in a consultation, even a short one shows natrinal concern and responses are not just sought from Hackney people. for example this is relevant to anyone who uses these shops online.
Would be great to hear how it went from anyone who attended and please if you see news reports do add them here as this ongoing fight in Hackney does tend to get some interest.
By the way to those worrying about outsider responses to questionnaire, it may be worth recognising that a good chunk of the anti sex campoaigning in Hackney is also being done by national activists with national interests.
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Have completed the on-line survey and would urge others to do the same to help pretect what we enjoy and not put people out of work.
good luck all attending, hope you can put the left wing hackney council in its place and show that doing this to appease a certain religion will not be tolerated.
| chesterfieldslave wrote: good luck all attending, hope you can put the left wing hackney council in its place and show that doing this to appease a certain religion will not be tolerated. |
funny isnt it how left wings and right wings end up doing the same stuff for "differnt motives"
anyways good luck with the protest
I used to work with the advertising agency next to the White Horse - if I had time after my meeting, I'd quite often sit in there with a pint and a paper.
Good luck with the protest.
" Knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darknesses of other people. " Carl Jung
I have just returned for an enjoyable good natured protest outside Hackney Town Hall. The demo was supported by 50 or more people which wasn't too bad for a cold grey Fri. morning. As is the joy of Hackney a very wide range of people showed up, all sorts of diffrent people turned out to oppose this outragious and unwise proposal. Banners were held up, chants were heard, and a little bit of marching too. There was some representation from the local and independent media. It will be interesting to see how it (if it) gets reported, the snappers seamed to want to focus on the Dancers, even thou. as I've already mentioned the demo was attended by a wide section of the comunity drawn from across the EastEnd. I'm sure, judging by the number of people looking out of the windows of the Town Hall and the number of flouredsncet security that the Council did know, has noticed.
It did feel like a good an worthwhile thing to go an support. Lets see how the consultation goes and what proposals follow from it. Glad we've made our voices heard!
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Just filled out the survey by Hackney council.
Let these businesses close through 'lack of demand' like any other business - NOT because a certain group of people try to impose their own 'ethics' and sexual preferences on everyone else. The fact that these busineses exists is because there is demand for them. If there was not demand, there would be not income and therefore the businesses would close.
Just because I do not personally like gambling, does that mean I have the right to demand all the betting shops close? No it doesn't - because there are some people who are into it, and they have the right to enjoy it.
Why should those who do not like sex shops & strip joints have the right to demand that these close? If they don't like them - don't go into them - and keep their 'personal sexual standards' to themselves!
Im so tired of governments and councils trying to rule people's sex lives!!!
Fantastic - so glad you could go, that everything went well and wish I could have attended in support also. best I could do was spread the word where possible. Thanks for letting us know how it went!
Fingers crossed for a refused nil policy
in solidarity
De
| pleasureswitch wrote: I have just returned for an enjoyable good natured protest outside Hackney Town Hall. The demo was supported by 50 or more people which wasn't too bad for a cold grey Fri. morning. As is the joy of Hackney a very wide range of people showed up, all sorts of diffrent people turned out to oppose this outragious and unwise proposal. Banners were held up, chants were heard, and a little bit of marching too. There was some representation from the local and independent media. It will be interesting to see how it (if it) gets reported, the snappers seamed to want to focus on the Dancers, even thou. as I've already mentioned the demo was attended by a wide section of the comunity drawn from across the EastEnd. I'm sure, judging by the number of people looking out of the windows of the Town Hall and the number of flouredsncet security that the Council did know, has noticed. It did feel like a good an worthwhile thing to go an support. Lets see how the consultation goes and what proposals follow from it. Glad we've made our voices heard! |
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| Degenerate wrote: Fantastic - so glad you could go, that everything went well and wish I could have attended in support also. best I could do was spread the word where possible. Thanks for letting us know how it went! Fingers crossed for a refused nil policy
in solidarity De
Cheers De, Yeah, lets hope council see sense and don't do anything silly. |
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| SadisticDesign wrote: Why should those who do not like sex shops & strip joints have the right to demand that these close? If they don't like them - don't go into them - and keep their 'personal sexual standards' to themselves! |
Well, the usual answer is "because they're in the majority". We in the West get all sniffy when "backward" countries lie Ukraine start bussing people around in order to overthrow democratically enacted decisions. So if the most you could muster was fifty people from the entire east end of London, then I think the democratic wishes of the good folk of Hackney can be reliably inferred....
| Ian_2007 wrote: Well, the usual answer is "because they're in the majority". We in the West get all sniffy when "backward" countries lie Ukraine start bussing people around in order to overthrow democratically enacted decisions. |
OK, let the majority UK administration pass a law to ban all catholic practice on pain of death. Actually they did that once and it took a long time for our democracy to mature sufficiently to recognise that majority does not equate to dictatorship.
Catholics, Quakers, Jews, Buddists and many others are minorities in the UK. Does the majority now vote to ban them from various activities on account of their religion. I rather hope not though we have one remaining bit of nonsense about catholic accession to the throne which really has no practical significance.
Ian_2007 wrote:
Well, the usual answer is "because they're in the majority". We in the West get all sniffy when "backward" countries lie Ukraine start bussing people around in order to overthrow democratically enacted decisions. So if the most you could muster was fifty people from the entire east end of London, then I think the democratic wishes of the good folk of Hackney can be reliably inferred....
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Hardly!
You have to campaign/protest to get your voice across to people who wish to take your rights away. It's discriminatory the way Hackney council are treating these businesses, which pay local taxes (probably extortionate too), and employ local people.
Do you really think that every action taken by your local council has the blessing of each person in that community?
I also recall The Observer expense row, duck houses and that sort. The M.P's that had there snouts in the trough where taking the piss out of the people that put an X in a box on some voting slip, perhaps you forgot about that.
Or maybe you are just to trustworthy of the people that represent you Ian!
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| Ian_2007 wrote: Well, the usual answer is "because they're in the majority". We in the West get all sniffy when "backward" countries lie Ukraine start bussing people around in order to overthrow democratically enacted decisions. So if the most you could muster was fifty people from the entire east end of London, then I think the democratic wishes of the good folk of Hackney can be reliably inferred.... |
Not that numbers are anything to do with it - since when was gathering enough people a way to gain control over private businesses? Does Vodafone get closed down if enough people protest it ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11658950 )?
Good news - http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/majority_sa... :
| 66 per cent of those that took part were against a ‘nil’ licensing policy on strip clubs in Hackney. A higher proportion - 76 per cent - of residents living near to the clubs, which are in Shoreditch High Street and Hackney Road, disagreed with the proposals. More than 74 per cent of people that took part in the consultation opposed a ‘nil’ licensing policy on sex shops. |
So much for the assumptions that the majority of people would support a total ban.
| emark wrote: Good news - http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/majority_sa... :
So much for the assumptions that the majority of people would support a total ban. |
Good result for Expectations - though either way its an epic failure of democracy (a high proportion of a small number of people who give a shit, disagree). The whole thing was an attempt to (effectively) pass a by law without due process.
One wonders if Chris Kennedy will be moving now that he has discovered the character of the 'town' he live in is not what he thought it was...
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Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
Good result for Expectations - though either way its an epic failure of democracy (a high proportion of a small number of people who give a shit, disagree). The whole thing was an attempt to (effectively) pass a by law without due process. One wonders if Chris Kennedy will be moving now that he has discovered the character of the 'town' he live in is not what he thought it was...
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It is time for the said council to leave office and hand over to temporary whitehall control while an investigation goes a head into their misue of democrocy and to see if there was any corruption involved,remember shoreditch is prime property for redevelopement.
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| Black0rchid wrote: I have only just found this thread and sadly too late to take part. Having lived in Hackney for 30 years before moving to the Midlands 18 months ago, I wish I had known about it earlier. Why were they suddenly so worried about the sex trade in Hackney, I doubt it was anything to do with the rights and wrongs on it, my money would be on the 2012 olympics coming through Hackney and the way they want the world to see that part of England. Why else have they replaced all the victorian water mains, totally revamped Kingsland High Road, suddenly after 30 years or promises given everyone a tube in Hackney and done restoration on Whitechapel hospital. The powers that be suddenly worried about the underpriveleged in Hackney and wanted to turn it around bxllxcks did they, the olympics are here (Hackney/east London) next year and the world is watching.. that's the real reason. |
Great observation!
As a Hackney resident and someone who responded to the consultation I was appalled to see this:
http://www.hackneycitizen.co.uk/2011/01/12/hackn...
Although this clearly goes against the results of the public consultation, and in particular those people who live close to the existing venues who were even more against the policy!!
There will be a final full Council vote on Wednesday the 26 and I would not be surprised if additional protests are planned.
The Council's behavior in this case is disgusting.
-K
...everything worth knowing leaves bruises...
Well, it sounds like some progress was made since the policy now won't immediately kill the existing venues while the old one would have done.
It does still feel like divide and conquer though - they are hoping that by leaving them alone existing venues will stop protesting so much and then they can get this policy in place and work on getting rid of the others by attrition.
Global_Domination wrote:
I too am not a big fan of lapdancing clubs, but it's not a morality issue for me. I couldn't give a fig how people consensually earn their wage, as long as they harm none in doing so. My objection to lapdance clubs is one of personal taste. I have no desire to be tantalised with goodies which I can't actually have, to be sent home with only a hard-on and an empty wallet. I just never got it, except for the group entertainment factor of a stag do, of course. But then I am highly driven by personal control and the environment and experience of lapdance clubs couldn't be further from that. But many do enjoy them and I believe those people should be free to seek such entertainments, as long as it is provided by consenting adults, who are being properly paid by their employers. If my relatives were engaged in such work, which can apparently be quite lucrative, in the right place at the right time, then more power to them. |
That's almost exactly my take on them too
They are not something I'm really interested in attending but if other people want to then that's up to them and so long as no-one is being abused then I've no problem with people working at them.
It always amuses me when feminists complain about them but always quickly move past any mention of the various male strippers around, or indeed the fact that a number of the establishments are run by women.
2011 reassssment of the Lilith report on sex venues and their impact on rape/assault in Camden.
"The impact of adult entertainment on rape statistics in Camden:a re-analysis.Brooke L Magnanti, PhD" URL:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47185652/Green-Paper-C...
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| Engarde wrote: Hackney Council's method, in particular their minimal efforts at consultation, was highly dubious and the outcome is legislatively and legally correct. Nevertheless, I utterly loathe lapdancing clubs from a morality point of view -- is anyone prepared to say that they'd be happy, or at least non-judgemental, to find their sister or brother dancing in these joints? |
It was fairly abhorrent to me that lap-dancing clubs are bundled with sex shops in this. Having said that I'm still not 100% sure what constitutes a sex shop (as someone pointed out Sh! might not be a licensed sex shop)
ETA: not saying lap-dancing clubs are *wrong* as such, but they appear to be very different things to me.
And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!
Vicar speaks out against the ban:
Also made this weeks Private Eye in the "Rotten Boroughs" column.
And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!